S&L Podcast - #511 - Throw Me in the Corpse Hole

We discuss the return of Jim Butcher’s Dresden Files and Frank Herbert’s posthumous SFWA Infinity Award, Audible’s AI narration plans and Amazon’s cancellation of The Wheel of Time—while nominating hamburg steak and vegan enchiladas and sharing listener stories from Matt Dinniman’s event. We round out the show with in-depth discussions of The Lives of Tao and Mickey 7.

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WHAT ARE WE NOMMING?
Tom: Hamburg Steak
Veronica: Vegan enchiladas

QUICK BURNS – add time stamp!
Any news or announcements

Iain: 10 years ago the planet of the spiders was set loose.
Tchaikovsky’s publishers didn’t think it would amount to much. Creating something truly unique means you don’t fit in existing boxes.
Bsky post by aptshadow

Iain: Via Scalzi on Blue Sky.
Dresden is back. “12 Months” is coming out in January after Jim Butcher works through depression. Good read.
NYT: Jim Butcher on The Dresden Files

Mark: The SFWA announced that the recipient of the 2025 Infinity Award is Frank Herbert, author of Dune.
The Infinity Award posthumously honors acclaimed creators who passed away before they could be considered for a Damon Knight Memorial Grand Master Award.
The Infinity Award will be presented at this year’s Nebula Awards Conference in Kansas City, Missouri.
SFWA Infinity Award Recipient: Frank Herbert

Paul: Locus’ annual fundraiser is up, and the coolest-looking thing for sale this year is “A special luxe edition... of the Green Bone Saga by Fonda Lee, signed & personalized, with printed edges in a gorgeous binding,” for $500 USD. I know Tom’s a big fan of the series (I’m on book 2 now and it’s pretty awesome), so just throwing it out there.
There’s also a signed Sando book plus a chull plushie for the bargain rate of $1,500, and for under $150, signed books from Corey Doctorow, Vajra Chandrasekera, Elizabeth Bear, and more, as well as other perks.
Locus fundraiser on Indiegogo

Chris K: The shortlist for the annual Arthur C. Clarke Award, celebrating the best science fiction novel published in the UK, has been announced.
• Private Rites, Julia Armfield (Fourth Estate)
• The Ministry of Time, Kaliane Bradley (Sceptre)
• Extremophile, Ian Green (Ad Astra)
• Annie Bot, Sierra Greer (The Borough)
• Service Model, Adrian Tchaikovsky (Tor UK)
• Thirteen Ways to Kill Lulabelle Rock, Maud Woolf (Angry Robot)
The winner will be announced on June 25, 2025 and receives an engraved bookend and £2,025 in prize money.
The 2025 judges are Dolly Garland and Gene Rowe for the British Science Fiction Association, Nic Clarke and John Coxon for the Science Fiction Foundation, and Glyn Morgan for the SCI-FI-LONDON film festival.
Andrew M. Butler represented the Clarke Award directors as non-voting Chair of the Judges.
Locus: 2025 Clarke Award shortlist

John: Audible unveils plans to use AI voices to narrate audiobooks.
After all the recent praise for Jeff Hays’s narration of the DCC audiobook, this is a sobering reality check.
The Guardian: Audible’s AI narration plans

Phil On The Hill and JasonReads7:
Looks like Amazon has cancelled The Wheel of Time. Is this sad news? I only watched an episode or two and was not won over. The curse of long series is that we never reach the end when televised.
The Verge: Amazon cancels The Wheel of Time

BARE YOUR SWORD – add time stamp!
Feedback from the audience

Hapahappiness: Hey y’all. Matt Dinniman event was great! Some takeaways: writing awful things was easy because being an a-hole is the path of least resistance. Jeff Hayes made (and lost) a bet resulting in a donut tattoo on his butt. The tattoo session was recorded and posted online. Mr. Dinniman thinks the video resulted in the first DCC audiobook being on the NY Times bestsellers list for the first time. He has never watched Gilmore Girls or Gossip Girl; his daughters are his subject matter experts. He denied having a foot fetish. Lol. One of his joys with this series is when people tell him DCC has reignited their love of reading or got them to read for the first time since high school. When I met him he commented on my S&L hat and told me he recently learned about our book club. 😊 He stayed past 10 pm meeting with everyone and personalizing books (with a name). Overall, a really fun event.

Jan: For the New Dungeon Crawler Carl segment of the podcast 😉
I did not know that the hardcovers for the series had a bonus chapter at the end! I don’t know if I’d buy these just for the chapters, but it might be interesting for some!
Sorry if this had already been mentioned on previous episodes, but maybe these kinds of incentives are something we will be seeing more in the future...

Trike: Re: Ship of Theseus – comedian-juggler Michael Davis had a great joke on this topic. He said one of his axes used to be owned by George Washington. “I’ve replaced the head and the handle, but it occupies the same space.”

BOOK OF THE MONTH DISCUSSION
Kick Off
The Lives of Tao by Wesley Chu
Amazon audiobook link · Bookshop link

Wrap Up
Mickey 7 by Edward Ashton
Bookshop link · Amazon link

An SF “Adventure” about being hungry · How many times can an author use a big word? · The line between adaptation and “in name only” (spoilers abound)

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S&L Podcast - #510 - A New Theseus

From Hugo admins resigning over AI panel vetting to the latest award winners and a fresh Murderbot clip—to set the stage for our book club pick. Then we dig into Mickey 7’s Ship of Theseus dilemma, sharing listener takes (yes, even foot‑fetishting AIs) and the questions that keep us up at night.

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WHAT ARE WE NOMMING?
Tom: Perilla Oil Buckwheat Noodles – Instagram
Veronica: Gin & Tonic, this time with elderflower syrup!

QUICK BURNS – add time stamp!
Any news or announcements

Dwango and Trike: Hugo Administrators Resign in Wake of ChatGPT Controversy
The upcoming Seattle edition of the World Science Fiction Convention, or Worldcon, used AI to help vet program participants.

Basically the con used ChatGPT to help find a list of panel members, nothing to do with the awards themselves. But it’s very much a case of “read the room, guys” – people don’t like AI, especially the artists from whose work the LLMs have stolen to create their database.

Elizabeth: Looks like the difference between the con (Seattle Worldcon 2025) and the awards presented there (Hugo) needs to be highlighted. It seems the LLM use was by the Worldcon team, not the Hugo team, and the Hugo administrators resigned in protest of this.”
GizmodoFile770 roundup

Stephen: SPFBO X (Self‑Publish Fantasy Blog Off 10) has a winner: By Blood, by Salt by J.L. Odom.
Facebook photo

ChrisK: 2025 Locus Awards Top Ten Finalists

SCIENCE FICTION NOVEL
The Man Who Saw Seconds, Alexander Boldizar (Clash)
Rakesfall, Vajra Chandrasekera (Tordotcom)
The Mercy of Gods, James S.A. Corey (Orbit US; Orbit UK)
The Bezzle, Cory Doctorow (Tor; Ad Astra UK)
The Imposition of Unnecessary Obstacles, Malka Older (Tordotcom)
Kinning, Nisi Shawl (Tor)
Alien Clay, Adrian Tchaikovsky (Tor UK; Orbit US)
Service Model, Adrian Tchaikovsky (Tordotcom; Tor UK)
Space Oddity, Catherynne M. Valente (Saga; Corsair UK)
Absolution, Jeff VanderMeer (MCD; Fourth Estate UK)

FANTASY NOVEL
I’m Afraid You’ve Got Dragons, Peter S. Beagle (Saga)
The Tainted Cup, Robert Jackson Bennett (Del Rey; Hodderscape UK)
The Dead Cat Tail Assassins, P. Djèlí Clark (Tordotcom)
The Bright Sword, Lev Grossman (Viking; Del Rey UK)
Asunder, Kerstin Hall (Tordotcom)
A Sorceress Comes to Call, T. Kingfisher (Tor; Titan UK)
Somewhere Beyond the Sea, TJ Klune (Tor; Tor UK)
The Siege of Burning Grass, Premee Mohamed (Solaris UK)
Long Live Evil, Sarah Rees Brennan (Orbit US; Orbit UK)
The City in Glass, Nghi Vo (Tordotcom)

For other categories, click the link.
Locus Mag – Top Ten Finalists

Seth: The dishonor of losing the Quick Burn battle to those Discord heathens must not continue.

The LA Times announced their winners of the 2024 Book Prizes, with the Science Fiction, Fantasy & Speculative Fiction award going to Kelly Link for The Book of Love.

Interesting choice because the Goodreads reviews are decidedly mixed.
LA Times Book Prize 2025

Paul: Some new clips of Murderbot with Skarsgård describing Murderbot’s deal.

Didn't really think of the crew as Space Hippies. I just thought they were good people. Does that make me a space hippy?”
YouTube

Iain: The final book in Pullman’s Book of Dust is coming out in October. The (possibly) last book in Lyra’s story, which started in Northern Lights. It’s been a long wait.
Reactor Mag

hapahappiness: Matt Dinniman will be at the San Diego Air and Space Museum for an event hosted by (my favorite) independent bookstore, Mysterious Galaxy, on May 15 at 7 pm!
Mysterious Galaxy event

BARE YOUR SWORD – add time stamp!
Feedback from the audience

Jan
Hi everyone.

Everyone: HI JAN!

My Bare Your Sword for the episode:
I am still here – I just don’t have time to scour the net for news and post them in the Goodreads Quickburns thread as all my waking moments are dedicated to listening to the master himself Jeff Hays reading the Dungeon Crawler Carl books to me! I am at “The Gate of the Feral Gods” and already dreading when I am through with the available books! Thanks for getting me hooked on the series! I think this is actually the first time I have continued after a Sword and Laser pick!”

Ruth: I actually really enjoyed the parts where the AI talks about feet. It’s just the right balance of gross humour with the underlying sense of “goddammit my whole planet has been destroyed, nearly everyone I know is dead, I have been forced into a deadly dungeon crawl for the entertainment of intergalactic sickos and to cap it all off, I’m being perved on by an artificial intelligence with a foot fetish.

terpkristin:
I’m glad that so many people enjoyed DCC. It wasn’t for me but I enjoyed listening to this episode. I also liked Tom’s impression of the “NEW ACHIEVEMENT!” sound bite.

Stephen: I ripped through all the books last year, one right after another, until I had a short wait for Book 7, This Inevitable Ruin. The series has surprising depth. There are some minor characters that are still a mystery even after seven books. Also, if you Laser folk don’t want to claim DCC, I will gladly put it on the Sword side. It’s just I have so few science fiction writers I eagerly await their next book, I thought you would like one more.

BOOK OF THE MONTH DISCUSSION
Mickey 7 by Edward Ashton – BookshopAmazon

Philosophical job training – Goodreads

“The Ship of Theseus from Liqorice
Ok, so we need a SoT discussion. The book asks whether or not the Expendables are effectively immortal (“Is it really you if you die and are recreated?”) As a reminder, Theseus was a Greek king who took a ship on a pilgrimage to honor Apollo. By the end of his journey he had replaced all of the original components on his ship, so was it still the same ship?

I think the book glosses over some very important points that don’t fit into the typical SoT philosophical discussion. As @Iain Bertram points out in another thread, only one scan is ever made of Mickey’s body, and it is done at the start of the journey. So, er, how exactly would that work? Your brain would have changed considerably in the intervening years. In SoT terms, you build a ship. Then you take it to other ship builders and have it modified. Then over the course of intervening years you replace all the parts but do it in a way that makes it identical to the original ship, not the modified one.

Discord SoT thread

Early impressions about Characters (No Plot Spoilers) from Roberator
I’m about nine chapters in and I don’t find any of the characters likable, including Mickey. Am I the only one?

I am interested in the story though, so it’s keeping my interest, but typically my favorite books have memorable characters that I’m rooting for (or rooting against). I don’t dislike anyone enough to be rooting for their demise, but I don’t really care who lives or dies at this point.”
Discord character thread

Replication from Iain Bertram
The method of replicating Mickey is analogous to the transporter in Star Trek (think transporter buffers) which has all sorts of implications. It’s supposed to be an exact copy from when the first scan takes place which means Mickey 8 has a body that is a decade younger than when he started the journey which is going to be weird as his girlfriend gets older.

What happens to the memories of trauma when the body has no scars? That would have to be disconcerting.

Can you imagine hitting the gym for six months and then being stuck back in your flabby body which hasn’t worked out?

Not sure how the tech actually works (I know it’s hand‑wavy but my brain won’t leave it be). Does it need all the proteins and other material used to build the body or does it create it from atoms? I mean, how could you feed it exactly the right proportion of proteins each time? If it builds from atoms why not take a scan of a cow sans personality and just print loads of cows and have a BBQ? Probably the same tech as a Star Trek replicator.

Instead of shipping colonists just ship the scans of the colonists and a nanotech self‑assembly plan to minimize weight.
Discord replication thread

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